
Hey guys…Sorry if I skip around a lot in this blog, I just got very excited about incorporating psychology into this week’s reading, so bear with me!
(<-----Freud)
When I saw the name Freud pop up in this reading, I knew there would be a whole lot of nonsense going on and I would be rolling my eyes. I have taken many psychology classes in high school and now one in college and I find myself not being a big fan of Freud and his ‘philosophies.’ Though I don’t like Freud, I was open to the argument posed in this reading and I read it with an open mind. After reading it, I could draw connections between Freud’s theories, thoughts, and views on subliminal ‘messages’ the human brain unconsciously thinks and the story of Carmilla. Freud wrote a book (as you read in the reading) called The Interpretation of Dreams, which became very well known for its interesting and unconventional take on what dreams really mean and what the human mind is really unconsciously thinking. I had to read this part of this book and reviews of this book for my high school psychology course and quickly figured out that Freud was extremely, EXTREMELY strange. But, for the sake of writing an unbiased blog, like I said before I kept an open mind about the connections between his theories and Carmilla.
So, back to the reading…From the beginning I liked how Michael Davis stated, “Dreams are often enigmatic and enigma, as we know, also lies at the heart of the Gothic.” I like how this was said, because I think it is very true. I haven’t done much Gothic reading myself, but I have read some Edgar Allan Poe (The Fall of the House of Usher, The Tell-Tale Heart) and have found his stories to be extremely mysterious but in the most fascinating way—very enigmatic. So connecting dreams with the Gothic through enigma is very perfect, I’ll say, because both are so full of wonder, perhaps muddled darkness, and, as certain psychologists deem, full of meaning. In Carmilla, the story starts out with a dream which is just the beginning of all the puzzling mystery yet to come but the coolest thing, to me at least, is that it’s a dream in a gothic story—sort of like a double dose of enigma, which is what I think the quote I mentioned up above is stating.
Back to Freud…in the reading they mention “latent content” of dreams and “manifest content” of dreams. Latent content is basically the “disguised” meaning of dreams hidden by more obvious subjects, and manifest content is basically the story line of dreams. In the reading, Michael Davis writes, “…the manifest content ‘is given as it were in the form of hieroglyphics whose signs are to be translated one by one into the language of the dream thoughts’.4 Only by deciphering the picture puzzle that is the manifest content can the psychoanalyst reach the latent dream thoughts or those forbidden and thus repressed wishes and desires disguised by the dream
work.” Then he says, “Like a rebus, Gothic encodes its meanings; its signifiers form a puzzle that demands to be translated.”
So you can see, there is an obvious relation between dreams and the Gothic. See, with Sigmund Freud, I’m not much of a believer when it comes to his thoughts on certain things. I was apprehensive about what Michael Davis was saying in this piece because I know that Freud had some really messed up theories about dreams (at least they were messed up in my mind) like dreaming of flying translating into wanting to have sexual intercourse and dreaming of a baseball bat translating into dreaming about the male reproductive system. However, though I don't agree with Freud on those things (I’m no psychologist but hey, everyone has their own thoughts & opinions) I do think that the connection made using Freud’s latent content and manifest content in relation to the Gothic was done very well. Does that make sense?
Hello there!
ReplyDeleteI think it’s great that you concentrated on the comparisons to Freud within the Davis reading. His theories sure are wacky. When you said, “in the reading they mention “latent content” of dreams and “manifest content” of dreams. Latent content is basically the “disguised” meaning of dreams hidden by more obvious subjects, and manifest content is basically the story line of dreams.”
That really put things in perspective for me. So the latent content is the repressed wishes and the manifest is where the repressed wishes are hidden within a general context but you have to find them? I’m sure there is a better way to describe what I’m trying to say. What I’m trying to say is that, I think I follow what you are saying. You also discuss how Freud’s dream theories are related to the Gothic. It’s kind of like a double entendre; the enigma of the gothic with the enigma of dreams. How is anything expected to be deciphered!
I don’t really know that much about Freud (other than general stuff) but it seems like you are quite familiar with him. You said some of his theories were, “like dreaming of flying translating into wanting to have sexual intercourse and dreaming of a baseball bat translating into dreaming about the male reproductive system.”
What a weirdo! I can only imagine what his translations of Laura’s dreams might be. Thanks for sharing your knowledge about Freud, it helped piece together some of my thoughts. Cheers
Lucky,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say thanks for bringing up Freud's oddities. I knew that he was very strange in his interpretations of dreams and such, but had no idea just HOW "off" he really was. I did a bunch of reading about him over the last few hours and just couldn't stop. It's like watching a train wreck. His ideas, methods, lack of ethics, etc are insane. He had a cocaine addiction and actually ended up getting his friend, a supposed ENT surgeon, addicted to it as well. Then referred a patient with hysteria to him so she could be disfigured with a nasal surgery that led to hemorrhage...the ridiculous just goes on and on. Anyway, I know this isn't really related to Carmilla, but your comments helped me research Freud and pscychology further which is an area I've always been interested in. So Thanks. ;D
Lucky,
ReplyDeleteYou crazy crazy person you... I mean that in the nicest way possible. Truly though you brought Freud to the way that I don't know most of us were comfortable enough to do. Thankfully you had the background with the his book to use it in this piece. I haven't read it myself so I'll have to take your word for it. However I did enjoy your ending comments " I was apprehensive about what Michael Davis was saying in this piece because I know that Freud had some really messed up theories about dreams (at least they were messed up in my mind) like dreaming of flying translating into wanting to have sexual intercourse and dreaming of a baseball bat translating into dreaming about the male reproductive system. However, though I don't agree with Freud on those things (I’m no psychologist but hey, everyone has their own thoughts & opinions) I do think that the connection made using Freud’s latent content and manifest content in relation to the Gothic was done very well. Does that make sense?" and it certainly made sense to me.
Now I am a big fan of Edgar Allen Poe so I understand a lot of the Gothic Enigma working in that light a bit better than Freud's use of over-analysis. Still though everyone has their own way of working things.
WS
Like you I was very skeptical of the reading when I first began. I’m not a fan of literary critiques involving psychology, I haven’t necessarily taken many psychology classes but I have taken many literature classes that involved critiques of this nature. I am not a fan of the phallic (of Freud as you mentioned) and the idea that everything and anything can be translated into sexual symbolism.
ReplyDeleteSo I was very surprised when I realized that I found myself agreeing and understanding most of what Davis was getting at with his review. I like you found the idea of dreams being similar to the gothic very intriguing I didn’t get a chance to touch on this in my literary criticism but I think that this relation explained his point perfectly. The fact that (I find it safe to say) most of what we dream is an enigma, something that we struggle to comprehend, something that is close to impossible to comprehend. Even so society has made careers of trying to explain them. This relates to Carmilla in that Laura although not completely sure of what Carmilla is or means through her actions is perpetually fascinated by her and continues to try to figure her out.
I totally agree with Ann's comment above on how she was very skeptical of the reading upon seeing it involved pyschology. To be honest- it's pieces like this that make me feel...for lack of a better word...stupid! Half of the time I spend reading and re-reading just to have it go completely over my head. I just can't wrap pyschoanalysis around my brain and it leaves me frustrated. I suppose I'm one who feels that often things are just way too OVERANALYZED!! I suppose I may have chosen the wrong course, having that attitude, but I truly enjoy reading the literature, and in some cases, I do find my own connections, or am presented with ones that really get me thinking.
ReplyDeleteIn this story, however, I can't seem to understand why so much focus is put on the meaning of dreams, when it was my impression that Laura wasn't even dreaming, but instead used that as a way to explain the bizarre experiences she suffered at the hands of Carmilla. There are a few instances where I believe she truly was dreaming, such as this scene:
"One night, instead of the voice I was accustomed to hear in the dark, I heard one, sweet and tender, and at the same time terrible, which said,
'Your mother warns you to beware of the assassin.' At the same time a light unexpectedly sprang up, and I saw Carmilla, standing, near the foot of my bed, in her white nightdress, bathed, from her chin to her feet, in one great stain of blood."
I can see your argument though about how Freud's dream analysis fits in with Gothic literature in general, beyond the story of Carmilla.
Even though the gothic is one of my specialities, ironically I'm not a huge fan of psychoanalytic criticism. I find that it often works too much in a cultural vacuum. I think symbols (or latent content, as it were) are socially constructed. A baseball bat does not have phallic-nitude, but rather we construct the phallus around this symbol. Similiarly, I don't like how Davis keeps referring to the "Other" as some transcendental signified. Again, I think the "Other" is socially constructed, and in Le Fanu's case, I think the "Other" is socially constructed as the native Irish. We discussed this in quite a few blogs last week.
ReplyDeleteI do like, Lucky, how you discuss the "dream within a dream" construction of the tale. I would also argue that the gothic is a series of codes, and it's worth noting when that code becomes embedded in another code, namely the dream. Above, Joy brings up Laura's dream of her mother, and I too find this an interesting section of the text. Davis states,
"But there is something more that lies behind this shcok and ''dislocation'...and that is the shadow of a lost object: Laura's mother" (228).
About this "lost object" Davis states,
"What we see...is a regressive, if not to say regressed transference relationship with a lost but still desired mother, whose lullaby still sings in Laura's ear. And surely it is allegorically significant that, later, we learn that Laura's mother and Carmilla are in fact descended from the same family" (229).
I think here Davis could have done a lot more in analyzing the way in which the "Other" in this story (Carmilla) is, in fact, also a part of Laura. I think this "blurring" through the dream (a space in which boundaries are often blurred) is truly significant. I would argue (because I'm a marxist materialist) that this relationship is connected to constructions of Irish identity. The Irish Ascendancy might think they are "pure" and not "Irish," but in fact they might have native Irish "blood" in their geneaology.